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20 Sep 2007
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Ms. Anne O`Nymous ()
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| It is a known fact that Estate Agents routinely use deception as a means of advertisement and promotion of their business. They do this by placing "Sold" signs near houses or flats that have nothing whatsoever to do with their business and might have even never been for sale, or could have been sold decades earlier.
Reading the quant market review just brought a smile to my face.
Some of the jobs advertised on efinancial careers especially in the quantitative analytics section have been on the board for "years" while the existence of quite a lot of jobs placed by the recruitment agencies is dubious.
Editor, please do us all a favour and insist that only live jobs are placed on your boards. Vet some of these agencies; as their comments in your article do not correlate to what they are advertising on your site.
ps: you are doing a good job |
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20 Sep 2007
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| we still have plenty of quant roles. The problem is that every data collection bod and maths grad thinks that they are a quant. there are still roles for experienced quants WITH A PERSONALITY AND PEOPLE SKILLS. As the market tightens, there is less tolerance of analysts with Aspergers and an attitude problem. |
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20 Sep 2007
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doesn't matter ()
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| Jayne, your comments regarding Aspergers disorder are extremely offensive. You need to understand that most people with Aspergers disorder lead 'normal' lives just like the rest of us. |
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20 Sep 2007
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doesn't matter either ()
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| jayne, that just shows why some companies (probably yours) are suffering. 'Candidates with personality' you mean candidates who can sell themselves rather than those with the necessary talent |
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20 Sep 2007
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WhyWeAllLove HR ()
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| Dear Jane, I think I speak for all intelligent people who don't have a chip on their shoulders for never understanding maths. People like you in HR are the reason why real eccentric stars hardly stand a chance of getting through the door. People like you screw things up for the rest of us, who enjoy being with people who are smarter than us, even if they have Aspergers and attitude. |
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20 Sep 2007
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Rachel - Head of Quants at Huxley ()
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| Just to clarify for anyone with concerns.. any job I post, is a live job. If I posed at ad for every single place I was hiring for, I'd still have about 25 live roles.. 25 live roles is pretty dead, given that in April, my 7 man quant and risk team were working over 120 live roles.
But send in your cv, and I'll speak to any quant manager you want about it because thats our job. If not for now, you could be considered for Q1.. |
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21 Sep 2007
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Jayne ()
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| Some candidates decide to leave their interpersonal skills at home. When an interviewee only answers questions with "yes", "no" or "look on my cv, its really comphrehensive", then we have a problem. This is because in their daily roles, these quants need to explain complex data to people who don't understand raw figures, with a little more than "its there in black and white, can't you read?"
As a mathematical science graduate myself, I know how important communication is. When there is a lack of maths skills in the market, then we hire candidates with the maths skills and then have intermediaries liaise with clients and qualitative staff, because we have no choice. Now, we can choose and we choose staff who will be prepared to discuss data with non-quants. |
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23 Sep 2007
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| Jayne: I agree with "doesn't matter", you were extremely offensive. Get a clue, or keep your mouth shut.
The truth is there's always a balancing act, if you hire all people with exceptional interpersonal skills you will be missing out on candidates who are actually better at doing the job they're employed for. I know you "expect both" but in the real world it's always a trade-off. I don't see market conditions having any effect on the particular balance that is required.
I think the painful truth is HR people push for excellent people skills (and complain about the lack of them) because it's something: (a) they have (b) they can judge. I'll take a motivated problem solver any day of the week. |
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23 Sep 2007
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| Ms Anne, i agree with you on this issue. One need to study the efinancial web for a period of 12months, guess what-same jobs appear every time. I wonder if the site is under audit. |
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24 Sep 2007
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Glenn Debreceny, customer relations, eFinancialCareers ()
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| Ms. Anne O`Nymous and Anonymous, Sales & Marketing,
eFinancialCareers endeavours to monitor all adverts that are advertised on this site. However, given the volume of positions it is impossible for us to verify that every single job is current. If you wish to raise any queries about the nature of any advertisements, please contact us at help@efinancialcareers.com |
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24 Sep 2007
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Tony, Credit ()
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| "The world of quantitative analysis", as put in the article, is a very vague term - the areas that have been doing well in the recent meltdown are still hiring. In the more difficult areas, there is still need for more brainpower because people have understood risk models were wrong and there is a lot of work to do to improve all the system, infrastructure, models etc... I would say you probably need less theoretical people these days, not so mathematicians but better at programming, systems, IT expertise |
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25 Sep 2007
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| Jane, your comment on Aspergers is based on pure discrimination, not a thoughtful decision. Everyone is unique and has his/her value. According to people like you, folks like Albert Einstein must remain on jobs no more than clerks at some patent offices. |
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25 Sep 2007
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| There is greater understanding in the quants area and we mathematians manage quite well. What is actually disturbing is the HR guys. They do not seem to understand maths demand in the area viz a viz the maths grad with with the right maths ability.
I attended an interview that clearly demanded stochastic optimisation and modelling skills and that was the area I stressed on but this HR guys did not seem to understand me in the context of the job role. I left them in the middle of the interview cos I already have a good job. There is therefore the need for technical guys in HR reccruitment rather than just raw HR personnel with no maths or technical background. |
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26 Sep 2007
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Sohail ()
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| Sammy has depicted the right "face" of the HR people. 100pc agreed! |
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26 Sep 2007
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GazDeFrance ()
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| spot on Sammy!! |
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13 Oct 2007
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Dominiv Connor ()
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| As quant HH I often work with people smarter than me. My ego can take this, but Jayne retreats into a self serving fantasy where her limited “people” skills are somehow morally superior, being a mediocre arts grad clearly wound up by science grads starting on a higher salary than she will ever attain.
Jayne is not serving her firm well by this attitude, and I suspect I know which London Wall bank. They may be having a bad time, but the market simply isn’t collapsing.
Yes, some quants do not present themselves well at interview, and this always hurts them, regardless of market conditions.
Paul & Dominic’s Guide to Getting a Quant Job points out that the best jobs are always competitive, and losing points through rudeness is stupid. But it’s actually quite rare, and it works both ways.
Good HRs we work with see their job as attracting and retaining good people.
Can anyone imagine Jayne persuading a good candidate to turn down a competing job offer ?
The standard of HR professionalism is an order of magnitude better than when I first started, when it was tacitly accepted that if a director’s was bunged a "real job" in HR. Presumably Jayne dates from that age. |
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13 Oct 2007
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Anon ()
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| Jayne, maybe if you spent more time working on your maths skills and not focusing on making your 'people skills' superior to your mathematical peers YOU would be working as a higher paid quant and not some crass HR monkey with a huge chip on her shoulder. |
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16 Oct 2007
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Jayne Mathematical Science From Which Poly? ()
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| 'nuff said ... ;-) |
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